More and More starting problems

[HeavyMetal]

Ok so most of you know about how my jeep has been taking like 5+ seconds to crank on, and then running a little crappy till i start movin sometimes...I go out today, and sit there cranking for 10 seconds, try again anothrt 10 seconds. It just cranks and cranks and cranks. doesnt quicken or slow, the starter just keeps going and nothings happening. Could a sensor have finally bit the dust? i really need an OBDII scanner

last time this happened it was all distributor sync sensor, but that threw check engine codes, and this time around i have nothing

[Uncle Hawk]

I had similar symptoms, I would tell you CPS crank position sensor.

[rckrdyxj]

CPS First. bout $80 and you dont wan tto do it your self. its a bitch to get at w/o air tools.

Next like mine its taking a few tries to start and runs shitty kina gurgly hickuply, mechanic told me its my fuel pump. $160 ish on ebay complete assembly not just the pump.

[Uncle Hawk]

i got air toolz + 20gal compressor.

[HeavyMetal]

thanks gents i was thinkin that too

the fuel pump sounds like its still working properly

[HeavyMetal]

rckrdyxj said:

CPS First. bout $80 and you dont wan tto do it your self. its a bitch to get at w/o air tools.

ive seen some pretty determined creativity for this haha, i saved this link for just such a day as i knew itd come sometime

www.jeepforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=381258

[rckrdyxj]

its on top of te tranny. Looking ion and down the fire wall from the drivers fender, its on the drivers side top of the tranny, prolly two 10mm bolts hold it on and it has to be set a specific depth that a mark on the sensor indicates. arge hands = not happening. i would rather spend $120 at my mechanics to have it done than do it myself. Its a bitch. easier if you have a lift though.

[rckrdyxj]

Thats deffinitly determination, i did not have such luck changing mine nad auto zone here told me it was delaer only and that cost was $80. Bummer for me. But good to know since i think i need one too.

[heapxj]

When is the last time you changed your fuel filter? And you don't need a scanner. Any code that the engine has will show up by doing the key clicking method. If the check engine light is not on, you have no codes or the bulb is out.

[KtmRacer419]

heapxj said:

When is the last time you changed your fuel filter? And you don't need a scanner. Any code that the engine has will show up by doing the key clicking method. If the check engine light is not on, you have no codes or the bulb is out.

when was the last time you used a scan tool?

there are loads of codes that dont set off a check engine light.

dont speak if you dont know what the hell you are talking about.

a CE light is triggered when the o2 sensor(s) detect 1.5 times the legal emissions and other vital problems, not a long cranking problem.

[rckrdyxj]

The fuel filter on a 97 + is in the gas tank as well. PIA

[CSaddict]

FPR can also be bad. Usually long crank issues are fuel related. Fuel filter, pump and FPR are usual suspects. Some people put the bmw check valve in the fuel line to hold line pressure but yours shouldn't need it.

[heapxj]

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dont speak if you dont know what the hell you are talking about.

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Ok Will, use a scanner. I'll eat my words if it can pin point the reason why your jeep takes a long time to start.

[KtmRacer419]

even if it doesnt have a code, you can check the cps signal to verify if its good or not.

[HeavyMetal]

ok well i just went to 5 stores in the area, all but 1 did not have CPSs, and the one that did have it wanted 130 dollars, which im not going to pay for it. the most expensive ive heard before that was 90 and that was very high. (ive seen it go for 35 bucks)

so im fawked anyway as i dont have a scanner regardless or access to one