37's with stock springs!?

[Buffalo Phil]

biggerthanyou said:

i hade short arms and 11" of lift. worked great not as much flexing as u would with longarms but it was big! now its 8" with short arms and handles very well, i know some of u guys like it low and lots of flex. i want it big with lots of flex, and i dont wanna rub fenders with tires!!! if i end up putting my dana 60s under the jeep it will be very big!! stupid big! because thats what i like! and i have longarms now but they go with the dana 60! so we will see what i wanna do! i change my mind as the weather changes so who knows what i will end up doing!!

no more comments from the peanut gallery.

[KtmRacer419]

loudog3114 said:

im not getting into this again, put on civic springs for all I care

tell me im wrong, make my day

[biggerthanyou]

i think im gonna go build an AR15. just to be cool!

[KtmRacer419]

im gonna build a super soaker, because i am cool.

might be hard to shoot a gun while your drowning in the furious wrath of my super soaker

[biggerthanyou]

word to your mother!!

[loudog3114]

ktmracer419 said:

loudog3114 said:

im not getting into this again, put on civic springs for all I care

tell me im wrong, make my day

not a problem, you're wrong. you're overall flex is based on upward and downward motion, and on top of that the more upward motion you have, the more the other side will droop If you had 6" of upward flex and 6" of droop you had a total of 12" of flex, meaning you could hit a 12" rock and keep both your wheels on the ground. so if you drop your height, you'll hit your bumpstops a lot sooner than before. So you'll have say 4" of upward motion, and and 6-7" (i give an increase for the softer spring rate you claim your stock coils have, of course if you were hitting the end of the shocks, no droop increase) of droop. then you hit the same 12" rock, and one wheel is off the ground because you only have an 11" range of motion. simple. obviously these numbers are just as an example.

your saving grace is your extremely wide wheel base, which is fine whatever tickles your pickle. BUT you need to understand that with YOU'RE wheel base and small lift, you actually have more or less the same vertical range of motion at the extremities of your tires as a somebody with around 5-6" of lift, a good la kit, and stock width axles.

[loudog3114]

on top of this statement ill also say that A. im not going 'valentine' and claiming flex is everything, it obviously isnt, especially with locked beasty axles like ktm has, and B. my rig is a hunk of shit and I by no means claim that it is better or worse than any setup in the club, it is however better than every single rig in ctjeep.org and jonfund.

[KtmRacer419]

what your not getting is my jeep has the same range of motion with either springs.

the ride height is all thats changed.

to put it in numbers:

say with the lift springs i have 4" of upward flex, but 8" of downward flex

then i swap in the stock coils and have 1" of upward flex, the downward flex doesnt just dissapear, in turn i have 11" of downward flex.

is this like teaching physics to some kind of primate?

[HeavyMetal]

loudog3114 said:

on top of this statement ill also say that A. im not going 'valentine' and claiming flex is everything, it obviously isnt, especially with locked beasty axles like ktm has, and B. my rig is a hunk of shit and I by no means claim that it is better or worse than any setup in the club, it is however better than every single rig in ctjeep.org and jonfund.

[Uncle Hawk]

I totally skipped loudog's post when I read "you're wrong", because he's not, Sam's correct, you still have the same amount of RANGE of flex. wether it's 1up and 11down or 4up and 8down, in total, it's still a difference and range of 12. that is what cannot be changed. What is changing, is the ride height, as stated. It's not physics, it's 2 parts math, 1 part logic.

[Jeepsycho]

ok.. all this talk about flesing ability in relation to lift and tire sizes... i have a 6 inch lift at the moment ( i dont belive it is sitting 6 inches higher than stock suspension due to extra added weight but bare with me) with 33" tires.... now im one of those guys who likes big rigs and big flex... the 6" is jsut a short arm setup but i was planning on upgrading to a long arm 8" lift and 35's... now in all of your opinions would this help my capability, make it worse or not change it all that much??... and eventually some D44's are going under there but thats not a near future project... i think with making it a long arm and with the bigger springs it will help me... though i am aware i will be raising the center of gravity which is obviously going to work against me... so im debating

[Buffalo Phil]

From reading this topic, and from seeing the other rigs in the forum, you should realize we are mostly about CoG. You don;t need 8" of lift with 35s...but then again, you probably don;t want to cut your fenders...

[HeavyMetal]

IMO and most on this site, 8" is too much for 35" tires. i run 4.5 on 35s and its absolutely not limited in flex whatsoever, i wouldnt hesistate for a second to run this again. my original plans included 5.5-6.5" for them, but since i learned i in no way benefit from that really, i kept my 4,5" lift i had already

also im moving this to tech now

having a high center of gravity never helps you in anything, all a really high sitting rig will do is get you through deep water crossings and really deep mud more effectively really.

rigs from 3.5-5.5 flex more than enough

[grundlepunch]

ktm, with the shorter coils wont you "unseat" them quicker with your down travel, witch is like waisted flex?

and i agree its all based on your shock as well. but its all where you have your shock set up, and how much travel your shock has. ideally you should have your shock set up to almost bottom out when your at full bump, so as you dont "waist" any for the down travel. if your shock has 2 inches of up travel when your at full bump, thats 2 inches of less down travel you have.

im aether half drunk, or half retarded.....

[Buffalo Phil]

8" of lift you could run 40s.